The Terrorists Attack London and Glasgow 2007
Updated 03 May 2013 03:59
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Responses to NABA press release
Other Responses on the subject
Press releases of some other Arab
and Muslims medical organisations:
CAIR: Doctors Involved in Terror Betray Faith, Profession
NHS's overseas doctors left stunned and fearful,
Sarah Bosley, The Guardian, 8 July 2007 (An interview with Dr Maadh Al-Doori,
President of the British Arab medical Association, Consultant Haematologist
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NABA PRESS RELEASE
The National Association of British Arabs (NABA) strongly condemns
the attack on Glasgow Airport and the car bombs found in London at the
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|Responses to NABA Press Release|
From Paul Newell:
Thank you for the very positive message you are giving to your members during these troubled times. I have forwarded you message onto C/Insp Ian Tycer who will ensure Hertfordshire Constabulary and MPD are aware of your efforts. Regards
Chief Inspector, Dacorum CDRP,
Hemel Hempstead Police Station
Hertfordshire HP1 1HL
Rose Marie García Martín
I would like go together with The National Association of British Arabs (NABA) strongly and condemns the attack on Glasgow Airport and the car bombs found in London at the weekend. You can take my name in the acts of your organization for a best word with diversity in peace. Friendly
From Dr-Ing. Aly Elkholy -
I fully agree with your points, especially the broad approach through secular organisations and the emphasis on addressing the core issues behind terrorism. I have a feeling that Government needs to be constantly and repeatedly reminded of these basic points.
Thank you for your constructive work on behalf of all Arabs.
From Dr. Stefan Sperl -
Thank you for this important and constructive statement.
From Dr Muwafaq Al-Tikriri, Canada
Very well done. It is time that we all voice out our condemnation for this curse of terrorism that has to to stop in a way or another.
Thank you. A fine effort. But when something like this is made public in the name of Arabs here, it should be well-written, in fine English and proof-read properly. It is not a positive contribution to the enhancement of the image of the Arabs to write badly and carelessly especially when you are representing a community which has existed in this country for over two centuries.
From Samira Al-Qazzaz
Very well said.
From Adel Darwish, Journalist
who are you guys? please tell us more about your association.
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Dr Noori Hasan
Your press release refers to "revenge" and "tit-for tat" as if these terrorist actions may have some justification and some rational thinking. This is not the case at all. We know very well the doctrine and the backward (Salafi) education and brain washing that is happening in every corner of the Islamic world. This fundamentalist and backward view of these minority Muslims which is supported by the government in a rich Arab country like Saudi Arabia is the source of all evil. They regard themselves as the true Muslims and all other muslims and non muslims deserve to die. This is what is happening now in Iraq. Sectarian killings and ethnic cleansing on a large scale.
I think we should all condemn the breeding and brain washing of terrorists in the name of Islam and encourage moderate Islam that embraces all Muslims and have dialogue with all faiths.
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NABA Reply to views expressed
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From Dr Riadh Abed
Thank you for sending me a copy of this press release regarding the terrorist charges that have been made against a number of Muslim doctors, one of whom may be an Iraqi. Since this is a public document and since you have chosen to send a copy of this to my e-mail address, I believe I am entitled to a reply.
Personally, I believe that this statement, despite of the fact that it may contain some positive elements is a disgrace. It does not condemn terrorism outright and unreservedly. Neither does it point out that the doctors who have allegedly taken part in such terrorist acts would have betrayed their profession and their oath to do no harm and to aid others in need. The statement does not dissociate itself from such acts and from the ideology of violence and terrorism that plagues the society of many Arab and Muslim countries including Iraq. In fact the statement considers terrorist acts as an understandable response to injustice (whatever that may be). In other words there is an element of justification in your statement. This is why I consider it to be disgraceful.
This is a shameful document which every self-respecting Arab and Muslim should dissociate himself from and I do so publicly and I am prepared to repeat this condemnation in any other public forum if required.
Other responders who endorsed Dr Riadh Abed's sentiment
From Dr Majeed Jawad
I completely agree with Riad's response, since I would have replied more or less similar to his. We must have a clearer and firmer position toward terrorist attacks and terrorism in general.
From Dr Abdulkhaliq Hussein
Dr Mohammed Juma Abbas
Dr Mohammed J Abbas
me add this: Yesterday, a friend of the Iraqi doctor arrested in
think, as secular British Arabs we need to be more organized and do more to
dissociate ourselves from this type of thinking before we start to lose the
freedom that we highly appreciate in our country
Reply to Dr Abbas
you for your response. I believe if you read through my works you
will find that I have worked as a secular Arab for many years to highlight
to the British government and to other Arabs the problems you so rightly
point out. Unfortunately these appeals have fallen on deaf ears.
From Ferial Ahmad (5 July)
Yes I agree with both of you (Riadh Abed and Abdulkhaliq Hussein) that we should make it very clear that we are totally against these criminals & killers all the way.
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Reply to comments and views expressed in the previous responses - 5
Thank you all for the interesting debate
which I would like to see more of it on the various issues that concern
our community. I do very much appreciate your concerns and the emotions
behind your statement, especially as the act was done by not only medical
professionals but the fact that two of them were Iraqi medical graduates.
However, I wish to point out:
Reply from Dr Riad Abed
Thank you for your
fulsome reply to my response.
I accept that flowery
language and emotive expressions is neither in the Western style nor is it
in its tradition. However, I was not interested in any of that. My sole
concern about NABAs statement was that it included justifications for
terrorism and attempted to establish a link between such acts (wherever
they may be committed) and 'injustices'.
It is my view that it
is just such a sympathetic 'understanding' of the terrorists' motives that
provides the environment where terrorist ideology can and does flourish.
In contrast, I believe
that if we (as Iraqis, Arabs, Muslims, etc.) are to move away from
barbarity and back to our traditional Iraqi values of tolerance and
acceptance of the other we must become unrelentingly intolerant of
the terrorist ideology (which is that any means, including the most
barbaric are justified by the aim).
Your statement is not
intolerant of such ideologies and that is why it is unsatisfactory.
I find myself largely in agreement with your personal statement which you
enclosed with your mail and wish to commend you for it.
Click the following link for NABA's Response to 7 July 2005 bombing
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|From Wafaa' Al-Natheema
on NABA press
Thank you for forwarding the NABA Press Release sent on July 3rd. But I am concerned!
What made you think that the attacks were carried out by Arabs?
I hope you are not relying on the propaganda machine of the the British government and their BBC.
Why do Arabs keep this apologetic tone (shamefully since 9/11 events) without demanding for evidence and independent investigations done outside of the government's official story before they condemn a terrorist attack thinking that it has been TRULY done by one of their own. This is putting us, Arabs and Moslems, in a very weak position and on the defensive when we HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND ON THE OFFENSIVE considering the damage they have caused us, Arabs, non-Arab Middle Easterners and Moslems for centuries. By that I don't mean committing terrorism, but by how we approach the colonialists and propagandists of the industrial west and deal with their visa-vi our issues.
These accusations against Arabs have been going on since the middle of the sixties in the USA and industrial west, from the time when they accused Sarhan Sarhan for the killing of Robert Kennedy.
Haven't you asked yourself the question why all of a sudden they are after medical doctors? We have seen how the industrial west has been antagonizing scientists and medical doctors from Arab countries. How can you not question it when you are a medical doctor from Iraq and have seen what they have done to Iraqi scientists and medical doctors? You should condemn them for killing Arab scientists and for accusing Arabs AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
It is extremely important that Arabs, non-Arab Middle Easterners & Moslems, study the history of Europe (Greek, Roman, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, French and others) and the USA thoroughly to understand well their train of thoughts, their agenda, organized crime and the level of their deception and savagry! Reacting before demanding independent investigation to know the truth about these events has not served us, Arabs & Moslems, well and will not in the future.
If you/they don't like the study of history or have no time to do so, then it is a MUST to read and watch from the following two websites on a weekly bases focusing on the most controversial filled-with-lies event in the history of humankind. These websites are maintained by and include the contributions of scholars from (mainly) the USA and also Europe. The contributers are researchers, engineers, scientists, military personalities and commercial and military pilots:
PLEASE enough about Arab and Moslem
so-called terrorism. I, as an Arab and Moslem, need not to condemn this or
that terrorist attack simply because I do not believe in and did not
commit it. I condemn something when it becomes a habit or an addiction.
When this is not a common thread in our history or present, then why be so
self conscious about it? If you, the person and/or NABA, condemn this
recent attack in Britain, then why haven't you condemned other attacks
taken place in Africa and Asia? Is Britain more important?
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|From Imad Hamad
Sr. National Advisor/Regional Director, ADC Regional Office, USA
To Dr Ismail Jalili
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|Other Responses on the subject|
From Akeel Al-Basri
Tue, 3 Jul 2007
Further to what is happened recently of the terrorism act by the Arabic Doctors, friends who are Arabic doctors expressing their opinion of the necessity of a press conference to condemn terrorism, they asked me to email you, or possible to speak to you over the phone, to discuss a general meeting of Arabic doctors to condemn terrorism, please let me know your reaction, and perhaps if they contact you direct.
From hussein al-alak
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FromHussain M Al-Amily
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(USA): Doctors Involved in Terror Betray Faith, Profession
[Dr. Asma Mobin-Uddin is a pediatrician in Columbus, Ohio, and the board chairwoman for the Ohio chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).]
July 4, 2007 -- AS THE investigation of the terror plots in London and Glasgow unfolds, I am experiencing the emotions I often do in hearing that people associated with my faith are involved - incredulity, anger, and outrage that once again, these heinous acts are associated with people professing to be Muslims.
But this time, my sense of disbelief and betrayal reaches a new level as I learn that many of those accused share not only my faith but also my profession.
The thought of physicians treating patients while secretly plotting to kill innocent people sickens and angers me on a new level. . .
The stark contrast between my experience as a Muslim doctor and the news I am now seeing helps explain the disbelief and emotions I feel when learning that Muslim doctors are accused of such heinous actions that betray their profession and their faith.
I know these people are an aberration, people gone wrong as human beings sometimes do. If these doctors are guilty, they must be brought to justice.
I only hope that we remember to deal with these individuals as just that - individuals who chose evil on their own and not as representative of their faith or profession.
I hope we as a community refrain from generalizing the acts of suspected criminals to Muslim doctors in general.
Responses to CAIR Initiative by
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|STATEMENT FROM THE ASSOCIATION OF MUSLIM HEALTH PROFESSIONALS
(AMHP) REGARDING RECENT EVENTS UNFOLDING IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
It is with a heavy heart that we read about the affair in the United Kingdom. As we consider these events, we hope to remind ourselves and our peers in the health and the Muslim communities of several things:
We have faith in the British system of justice and hope and expect that all suspects will have a fair trial, without prejudice. These acts in the UK, if found to be truly done by health professionals, are inconsistent with all we believe in as Americans, as Health Professionals, and as Muslims. We call on all people of conscience, whether they be health professionals, Muslims, Americans, or British to consider seriously the damage their actions might cause to innocent people, the societies who would suffer from their actions, and the peoples and groups whom they will be labeled to represent when caught and identified.
If found to be guilty, these men will not be the first doctors to plan or perform heinous acts. If British justice system finds them guilty of these crimes, we put them in a pantheon of heinous physicians performing acts that go against the grain of all we believe in as Muslim Health Professionals. Josef Mengele, Mike Swango, Harold Shipman, and in the UK, John B Adams are small list of psychopaths with medical degrees who have harmed countless numbers of people in defiance of their professional oaths. We make no difference between health professionals who use their skills contrary to the human rights of any individual. Whether it is serial murder or genocide, medical torture for the military, or unethical research for profit, these people are not from us and we are not from them.
We especially call on all health professionals, from all ethnic and minority communities, to look for signs of social isolation within their community, and to openly discuss the issues of terrorism, vigilantism, and violence that have become a cancer in our midst.
Indeed, we remind all health practitioners of their obligations under the Geneva Convention, which ask that we state that "[I, the medical practitioner] will maintain the utmost respect for human life from its beginning even under threat and I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity.”
The Association for Muslim Health Professionals, founded in 2004, seeks to become a leader in improving public health, through methods inspired by Islamic Tradition.
Contact: Janice French, Association of Muslim Health Professionals, (240) 271-7692,
jfrench@ amhp .us (please remove spaces), www.amhp.us
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MAB welcomes Government response to terror threat
The Muslim Association of Britain welcomes the manner in which the British Government, under the leadership of Gordon Brown, has responded to the terror threats of recent days.
Mr. Brown’s emphasis on collective and shared responsibility at these difficult times will be seen by all corners of the Muslim community as a departure from the old line which gave way to division and isolation.
MAB also welcomes the measured and clear statements made by Jacqui Smith, Home Secretary in the wake of the foiled bomb plots in London and Glasgow, and wishes to take this opportunity to urge the Muslim community throughout Britain to continue to provide assistance and support to our police and security forces in uncovering the facts of these incidents, bringing the perpetrators to justice and hopefully ending this threat that faces us all.
Ahmed Al-Rawi, President of MAB stated earlier today: “We will continue to work hard with all Muslim organisations in an attempt to eradicate this trend of extremism and tendency to violence that threatens each and everyone of us. It is reassuring to see that the Government is on our side, and hopefully this will bring better and more effective outcomes”.
Muslim Association of Britain
5th July 2007
For more info please contact MAB press officer on:
Mobile 07736287047 / Office 02089089109 / Fax 02089089108 / Website www.mabonline.com
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Letter to Gordon Brown by a Group of Iraqi Doctors
Dear Mr Brown
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Jordan Times: Jordanian ‘bomb plot suspect’ innocent, says father
by Randa Habib, Agence France-Presse
AMMAN — The father of a Jordanian doctor reportedly arrested by British police investigating three failed bombings said Monday his son was devoted to becoming a surgeon and incapable of such attacks.
Mohammad Jamil Abdul Qader Asha, the 27-year-old father of a small boy, could be the mastermind of the bomb plots, officials in Amman said on condition of anonymity, adding that his wife Marwa Dana was also arrested.
British police detained seven people since a blazing car loaded with gas canisters ploughed into the door of the main terminal at Glasgow airport on Saturday following two failed car bombings in London Friday.
The following day, anti-terror officers arrested a man and a woman, believed to be Asha and his wife, on a motorway in northwest England.
They are now being questioned in London, while Scottish police were on Monday searching North Staffordshire hospital, where Asha has offices.
Asha’s father, Jamil Abdul Qader Asha, told AFP from his modest apartment in the working class suburb of Al Zuhur, in southwest of Amman, that he had not been informed of his son’s arrest and had learnt about it only through the media.
“My son is incapable of such acts,” said Jamil Asha, a former teacher in his 60s with eight children, showing off pictures of Mohammad.
“Mohammad is pious, like the rest of us, but certainly not an extremist.”
Asked if Mohammad went to the mosque, Jamil replied: “He didn’t have time for that, he studied all the time.”
“He was a brilliant student. He wanted to become an excellent surgeon and was not the type to get involved in political issues. At university he wasn’t even a member of any student unions.”
Jamil called on the King to intervene with the British authorities, saying: “Not all Arabs are terrorists.”
Jamil Asha said his son obtained his medical degree in Jordan in 2004 after attending a school for gifted students in Amman, and the following year left for Britain to pursue his studies in his chosen field of neurology.
“I cannot imagine he had any other goal than to realise his ambition by studying in Britain,” he said.
He said he had last spoken to his son four days ago and that he had tried to call his mobile phone repeatedly since the reports of his arrest emerged, but in vain.
“When I spoke to him on Friday, he told us that he had reserved a flight from London to Amman for the 12th of July. He was excited about the idea of coming to see his family and asked us what gifts we wanted,” he said.
Jamil described the slightly-built bespectacled Mohammad, who married in 2004 and has a son aged two-and-a-half, as a calm man who rarely got angry. “He had the head of an intellectual,” he said.
“My son was happy in Britain, he was always telling us. He didn’t feel he was the brunt of any negative sentiment as an Arab or a Muslim; on the contrary.”
Jamil said he had tried and failed to find out more information about his son from the Foreign Ministry in Amman.
“It’s a mistake. The British are going to find out it is an error. Mohammad is innocent.”
Tuesday, July 3, 2007
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|From iradmin iraqpatrol,
Sat, 7 Jul 2007 ipbullet@.....
I do not know why you have to condemn and apologize for every act of violence even before the investigation is over. In this way you are asserting that Arabs and Moslems are terrorists and you are distancing yourselves from them. Even if a Moslem or an Arab was behind the attack, why should all the other Arabs and Moslems apologize and condemn. Do Christians do the same when a Christian commits a crime to an Arab or Moslem ? Do Jews everywhere condemn a crime committed by a Jew?
Are you obliged to do this? or are you afraid ? in both cases, you are not fit to be a true Moslem or a true Arab. You are just a second-rate British subject and I do not need your frightened condemnation to be sent to me. Do not send me any of this.
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|British Arab Medical Association Press release|
|Responses to BAMA Press release|
Dr Bucher A Mawla, Mawla Law Corporation - 7/7/2007
We share you the opinion, and hope that peace covers all the world. Best regards
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Wafaa' Al-Natheema on the press release of the British
Arab Medical Association
"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." Edmund Burke 1729-97
The press release below by the Arab Medical Association lacks the call for independent investigations and/or the request to meet with the accused doctors or their families for the pursuit of truth and/or to offer them legal consultation.. They are being made guilty before proven innocent, remember this famous legal notion? That is if the accused are really who they are or that they are really doctors! So the community has a responsibility to dig for the truth and offer support for the accused and the authorities. If the authorities don't allow it, then there is certainly something suspicious about their claims and accusations!
We can not afford to be on the defensive and scared. That is exactly what the authorities in the industrial west want us to be and behave. If medical doctors don't understand the psychology behind all of this, then who does? In fact point 4 in the press release below is very problematic because it blindly agrees with the official story and confirms that our youth "have extremism" and need to be straightened up by their majesty, the British authorities.
If the Association of Arab medical doctors has failed in this regard, then I hope and cross my fingers that Arab lawyers will unite to write a press release that emphasizes the legal rights of the accused and the important issue of proven innocent or guilty as well as the public right to know the truth!! Wouldn't it be a historic event if Arab medical doctors and lawyers (not just in the UK) write a press release that reflects our articulance, pursuit for the truth and courage, and then followed up with serious action? This should have been done right after the September 11 attacks, but sadly the Arab, non-Arab Middle Eastern and Moslem communities were pathetically scared and divided. Haven't we had enough of these baseless accusations to pull us into the ACTION (not reaction) ZONE?
I had sent you both an earlier email on this subject addressed to Ismael Al-Jalili, which I enclose below with a couple of corrections. My email was in response to the press release the National Arab British Association (NABA) has written. Kindly read and forward (my earlier and) this criticism to as many Arab doctors and lawyers. The two websites provided in my earlier email (see below) are a MUST visit every week especially by those who wrote the Press Releases and those who share their perspective. They provide extensive information about 9/11 and the oceanic lies that were packaged with this event.
Fear and hesitation have taken us nowhere!
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|From Dr Hadi
Be assured that we will remove your address from our mailing list, but please allow me to make few comments on your e-mail:
1. What we released only represents BAMA committee and its membership, therefore if you are not a member you cannot consider what we say represents you.
2. BAMA exists for 11 years and it is recognised on national and international level and takes part in many decision processes and educational activities.
3. If you disagree with what we say it would be more constructive and helpful to us to express your opinion and guide us where you think is correct rather than address insults and false accusations.
4. Vast majority of our members agreed with our comments and asked for such a press release to be issued.
We hope to be in more agreement in the future.
Dr Maadh Aldouri
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|NHS Muslim medics fear backlash from arrests
By David Rose
July 8, 2007
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|The challenge for peaceful Muslims
July 8, 2007
By Minette Marrin - The Times
Truth is said to be the first casualty of war; trust is one of the many casualties of terror. If your surgeon or your child’s school assistant or your charity’s youth worker might be a terrorist – as we have seen – whom can you trust: the woman in the scarf at the checkout till? Your bearded GP? The tragedy is that trust is essential to a free and civil society; when trust dies, petty animosities and resentments will swell and civility and civil liberties will shrink.
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|NHS's overseas doctors left stunned and fearful
Guardian, Saturday July 7 2007
Sarah Boseley, health editor
Saturday July 7, 2007
Just last month, a senior Iraqi doctor wrote a report for the all-party commission on Iraq detailing the deaths and kidnapping of Iraqi intellectuals and calling for pressure on the Home Office to stop turning away Iraqi doctors wanting to work in the UK.
Senior doctors fear this week may have wrecked any hope of that. Arab and Indian doctors, who have given great service to the NHS over the years, are dismayed and apprehensive for their future in the UK.
The government had already made it harder for them to get jobs in Britain by imposing new visa requirements last April and giving priority to applicants from Europe. Now overseas doctors fear getting specialist medical training in the UK - once the gold standard in many countries - will become tougher still.
"It is very worrying, very depressing and very shocking because the vast majority want to mind their own business and not cause harm to anybody. There is a lot of depression and sadness," said Maadh Aldouri, a haematologist in Kent and president of the British Arab Medical Association. "We accept that there will be some review of the process of appointing people, but I hope this is all taken in context."
Dr Aldouri and his colleagues cannot understand how young doctors could become involved in terrorism. "It was entirely shocking. We all appreciate that some of the community from an Arab/Muslim background may feel angry about events, but to reach the degree where young promising professionals, some with families, can be involved in this is unbelievable," he said.
The consequences of their actions may be hard for their countrymen. Dr Aldouri is himself from Iraq, although he has been in the UK for 25 years. Most of the Iraqis here do not feel they can go back and many young doctors want to come not only for the valued training but also to escape the violence at home.
A report by Ismail Jalili, a consultant ophthalmologist who is chairman of the National Association of British Arabs, for the all-party commission on Iraq, last month said doctors and other intellectuals were being targeted. Between the invasion in 2003 and February 2006 more than 220 doctors were killed, according to the deputy minister of health, who was later himself assassinated. An estimated 250 have been kidnapped. In 2007 the Iraqi ministry of health estimated that 25% of Iraq's 18,000 physicians had left the country.
Overseas doctors have always played a vital part in the NHS. There are now almost 90,000 doctors from overseas on the General Medical Council register, of whom 1,985 are from Iraq and 184 from Jordan. The biggest contingent, however, is from India - 27,558 doctors, many of whom have been here for decades.
Prasad Rao, a GP in Stoke on Trent who is chairman of the British International Doctors Association, is concerned that patients may be alarmed by revelations about the doctors involved in the attempted attacks in London and Glasgow - together with the government announcement of further vetting.
"We have enjoyed the trust of the British public for the last 60 years," he said, "and hope to do so for the future, but if continually these kind of bad stories are coming up about overseas doctors it could sow seeds of doubt."
Jack Piachaud, a consultant psychiatrist who works with Medact, the global health charity, and has close contacts with the community of Iraqi doctors here through his work in conflict areas, said the public had a heroic image of doctors as preservers of life which was artificial. "There is the feeling of shock and horror, that health is about preserving life, but if one takes the wider perspective, doctors are human beings," he said. "Gordon Brown has to say we are going to look more closely at the recruitment process, but at the deeper level, once that is done, they must not exclude the question of how people are being radicalised."
Abdul Kareem Alobaidi, an Iraqi consultant child psychiatrist who is currently seeking asylum in the UK, is concerned that war and violence in his country are breeding a new young radicalised generation. Two years ago he petitioned the UN secretary general, calling for protection for the children from neglect and abuse. "This is very dangerous," he said. "The effect of the war and disturbance is to implant terrorism in the thinking of these young people. We need to help them - if we do not, they will find their help in bad places."
Aneez Esmail, professor of general practice at Manchester University, who has done a great deal of work on racism in the medical profession, also says the public has a sanitised idea of doctors.
"I spent five years on the Shipman inquiry," he said. "Why do we believe doctors should be immune to these things?" he asks. "To suggest that because you are a doctor you are not going to be influenced ... you are exposed to some of the worst facets of society. A lot of the time we have to interact with society and we see things that shouldn't happen and get angry."
Dr Prasad understands it is politically necessary to announce a review of the vetting process, but does not feel the existing checks and balances are too lax. Even if they had been tighter, he said, "they wouldn't have found the alleged terrorist doctors out because they have a very clean record".
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